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animal fighter · Feb 15, 2010, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell

Troll topic or not, OP is an idiot.

There are always going to be a steady flow of people playing any old game. There are less then 30,000 people playing D2, and blizzard seems to have kept them up 10 years+. Despite being p2p, EQ1 has also managed to stay around for 10 years with never more then 1 million people playing it, along with that same amount playing the sequel, at almost 6 years.

Nothing is going to happen to GW so stop worrying about it.

If such an event does occur (one would HOPE GWLP:R is still being developed).

you're forgetting the part where blizzard games (besides wow), and EQ are actually good.

Killed u man · Feb 15, 2010, 03:32 AM // 03:32

Imo, the only thing that will still be remembered in 10 years from now is GvG. GW port mortem, aside from the few thousand fanboys who will keep believing GW is a good game, despite the downfall the past 4 years, will be GvG.

Anything else simply isn't worth remembering in GW. MAYBE the pretty good storyline, for a MMO then anyways, but other than that, nothign in GW really stands out...

Ok, maybe will also be remember as "the really good game which god reduced to the mere shadow of a former self solely due to neglect".

Bob Slydell · Feb 16, 2010, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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Originally Posted by animal fighter

you're forgetting the part where blizzard games (besides wow), and EQ are actually good.

GW wasn't/isn't a good game?

Killed u man · Feb 16, 2010, 01:15 AM // 01:15

If you're completely honest with yourself, you can anwser that question. If you take away all the fanboys, and people who play for nostalgic reasons, how much people will still play GW?

It has nearly no end-game, and PvP has been one run downhill ever since Prophecies.

WoW IS a good game. People renewing their subscription each month says they still have a very succesfull game. How many ppl would play GW if they removed the HoM and it had a monthly fee?

GW WAS one of the best games out there. Now, it's a good game for it's lifespan. Which is to complete all campaigns, and do a few weeks of PvP. Anything more will just bore you, unless (again) nostalgic reasons.

Turbo Ginsu · Feb 16, 2010, 02:18 AM // 02:18

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

If you're completely honest with yourself, you can anwser that question. If you take away all the fanboys, and people who play for nostalgic reasons, how much people will still play GW?

It has nearly no end-game, and PvP has been one run downhill ever since Prophecies.

WoW IS a good game. People renewing their subscription each month says they still have a very succesfull game. How many ppl would play GW if they removed the HoM and it had a monthly fee?

GW WAS one of the best games out there. Now, it's a good game for it's lifespan. Which is to complete all campaigns, and do a few weeks of PvP. Anything more will just bore you, unless (again) nostalgic reasons.

You can bang on about nostalgia, etc all day long. Simple fact is, nostalgia>all. I have 2 words for you that prove it beyond all reasonable doubt.

"Antique Shops"

Know what I mean?

QueenofDeath · Feb 16, 2010, 02:40 AM // 02:40

Antique Shops? lol They might get a population of TWO people per day visit them. Now compare Antique Shops to the Mall populations and see the big difference. Antique shops only survive by gouging people with rediculous pricing for garbage. lol Wow that sounds a lot like GW and mini pet pricings.

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Turbo Ginsu · Feb 16, 2010, 02:57 AM // 02:57

Compare antique shops to malls. OK.

Antique shops: Lower patronage, but nowhere near the 2 customers per day you seem to be misleading yourself with. Usually customers are there with money, to actually buy things. And no, they don't all put ridiculous prices on things, otherwise ppl would ignore them and just go to estate auctions.

Malls: Plastic places, plastic people, plastic food and plastic junk. Most people are there merely to hang out, socialize and look kewl. I'll guarantee you that per person, antique shops are making more money.

Going by your analysis, antique shops don't really exist, because no business can survive forever on 2 customers a day, unless they spend a few thousand each. Also, antiques and nostalgic items hold no value, and no-one is interested in them. Antique Roadshow and other such programs don't get decent ratings, and classic gear, cars, bikes, furniture, is really junk that you're just going to get ripped off buying.

Nope, I hate to disagree, but in this particular instance, I doubt you could be more wrong.

Bob Slydell · Feb 16, 2010, 03:54 AM // 03:54

Now were comparing a 5 year old game to real life antiques!

Turbo Ginsu · Feb 16, 2010, 04:09 AM // 04:09

Did you know that the age at which an item becomes an antique is only 20 years now?

Given that I (And many others, just check eBay

)have in my collection a SNes(Antique), Colecovision(Antique), Master System(Antique), Megadrive(Antique), and a few others, all of which I still regularly go on software hunts for. I might also add that the majority of the software for the aforementioned systems is also old enough to acquire antique status, and they are selling at near original cost, some selling for more than that, such as things like Nes Zelda(1) in original box with all manuals etc. They're antiques, and they're treated as such.

It's quite obvious, that being the case with GW a 5 year old game, that if it is looked after, if not by the devs, then by a loyal community, who enjoy the "Nostalgia" of it all, then it's quite foreseeable that it could become an antique.

Hell, IMO, in the gaming world, a game just about is an antique already if it manages to keep players for 5 years or longer. Windows 98 was only 12 years ago, and would you argue that Diablo 1 or even 2, couldn't be seen as games of nostalgic, almost antique, value? The days where games were just toys, throwaway junk that ppl don't collect or hang on to, are dead and gone, mainly because of generation shift, i.e. my generation and the one just before it, and we are interested, and a lot of us are treating these older items and software with the respect they deserve. It's also important to note that this has ever more been the case since Bill Gates pushed a piece of software, with no real physical state, except that of 1's and 0's, into an item with real world value, licensing etc, and built a gigantic, multi-billion dollar company around it.

There is value in gaming soft/hardware, and anyone who thinks otherwise should perhaps run around selling pirated software to cops, see how far the "It's just a piece of software, and has no worth" opinion gets you.

My 2 cents.

Bob Slydell · Feb 16, 2010, 04:13 AM // 04:13

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Originally Posted by Turbo Ginsu

Did you know that the age at which an item becomes an antique is only 20 years now?

Given that I (And many others, just check eBay

)have in my collection a SNes(Antique), Colecovision(Antique), Master System(Antique), Megadrive(Antique), and a few others, all of which I still regularly go on software hunts for. I might also add that the majority of the software for the aforementioned systems is also old enough to acquire antique status.

It's quite obvious, that being the case with GW a 5 year old game, that if it is looked after, if not by the devs, then by a loyal community, who enjoy the "Nostalgia" of it all, then it's quite foreseeable that it could become an antique.

Hell, IMO, in the gaming world, a game just about is an antique already if it manages to keep players for 5 years or longer. Windows 98 was only 12 years ago, and would you argue that Diablo 1 or even 2, couldn't be seen as games of nostalgic, almost antique, value?

My 2 cents.

Once GWLP comes out, GW as an antique would become invincible. Only 15 more years before GW can become an antique.

I don't know though, I don't view D2 as an antique though as I still play it regularly for it's game purpose, not that its an old class, it just happens to be.

Erm.. only another month before I become an antique too now that I think about it.

Turbo Ginsu · Feb 16, 2010, 04:24 AM // 04:24

Yeah, I must say that I think that GWLP could only be a good thing, good for GW, good for aNet (Lower overheads), and especially good for the community. I still love Diablo 1 and 2 as well, btw, great games, and due to the fact that unlike GW, u don't gotta play online, the lastability is nigh-on endless, especially with Microsoft doing a lot more compatibility work for older programs on Win7. Even they've noticed that people not being able to play their beloved older games on the newer OS's is biting into their profits. Why would you buy a new OS when the old one runs fine, and more importantly, runs the software you want it to?

*Edit: Love that Avatar dude!

Darth The Xx · Feb 16, 2010, 04:35 AM // 04:35

Need an example of a long game that's lasted a long ass time? Just look at Starcraft. No other game in the RTS field even comes close, I know tons of people who have played this, and still play it. They still have Pro Tournies in Korea. Koreans aside since we all knwo they are SC freaks, just look at a LAN in your local area, I can almost guarantee you they'll have an SC tournament, even if they don't, chances are you could make a game with a bunch of random gamers at a LAN and a good portion of them would be able to play it, to a decent degree at least.

GW will be much the same, just IMO, you will always have the loyal crowd, but then you will always have the people who have moved onto GW2 coming back occasionally with guildies/friends to kick some ass in GvG or whatever.

Also I thought that the development team for D2 and GW were largely the same people, or did I hear wrong?

EDIT: Also you can bet ur ass that in 20 years time, even the next generation of gamers will have played starcraft

if a game is good enough it doesn't have to fizzle and die.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

and do a few weeks of PvP. Anything more will just bore me unless (again) nostalgic reasons.

Just fixed that part up there for you

Bob Slydell · Feb 16, 2010, 05:05 AM // 05:05

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Originally Posted by Turbo Ginsu

Yeah, I must say that I think that GWLP could only be a good thing, good for GW, good for aNet (Lower overheads), and especially good for the community. I still love Diablo 1 and 2 as well, btw, great games, and due to the fact that unlike GW, u don't gotta play online, the lastability is nigh-on endless, especially with Microsoft doing a lot more compatibility work for older programs on Win7. Even they've noticed that people not being able to play their beloved older games on the newer OS's is biting into their profits. Why would you buy a new OS when the old one runs fine, and more importantly, runs the software you want it to?

*Edit: Love that Avatar dude!

Well a Battlenet emulator WOULD come in handy and be better than single player for enhanced play among friends or managing accounts offline...only I think one was made in 2001 or 02 but shutdown immediately..

What needs to be completed in my book now are several MMO server emulators and the ability to download online characters to said server when it is done. While they seem fantasy like and such, I don't think it's an unreasonable request to want to keep your own piece of a computer data (that you payed for and are somewhat sentimentally attached to) invincible forever.

Turbo Ginsu · Feb 16, 2010, 06:32 AM // 06:32

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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell

I don't think it's an unreasonable request to want to keep your own piece of a computer data (that you payed for and are somewhat sentimentally attached to) invincible forever.

I agree wholeheartedly. This is the grey area introduced with the PC online game and Eula's, screwing players frequently and royally since the first money-grabber game corp (Probably Microsoft, rofl) came up with the abortion that is the Eula.

IMO, it's not unreasonable to want something you spent r/l money on, to retain it's usefulness, regardless of the operations of the company who made it. You know, just like the fact that apart from breakage, you will always be able to use and enjoy your old console games.

Also, just before someone pipes up with the stereotypical asskissing "But it's paid for itself, you've already got XX years enjoyment out of it, bla bla bla!" line, don't bother. It was bullshit the first time some random suckup said it, and it's just as big a load of bullshit now. We paid for it. Simple as that.

aNet's overheads for running it are their problem, not ours, because u know, the box says "Free online play! No monthly fees!" This is a legally binding statement, and that's that.

If they want to make it our problem, simple, give their support to GWLP, then let us run with it once it's away. Can anyone envisage a GW not unlike Neverwinter Nights, multiple mods and private servers a-plenty. As I said in a previous post, that would be beneficial to all involved parties.

QueenofDeath · Feb 16, 2010, 12:01 PM // 12:01

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Originally Posted by Turbo Ginsu

Compare antique shops to malls. OK.

Antique shops: Lower patronage, but nowhere near the 2 customers per day you seem to be misleading yourself with. Usually customers are there with money, to actually buy things. And no, they don't all put ridiculous prices on things, otherwise ppl would ignore them and just go to estate auctions.

Malls: Plastic places, plastic people, plastic food and plastic junk. Most people are there merely to hang out, socialize and look kewl. I'll guarantee you that per person, antique shops are making more money.

Going by your analysis, antique shops don't really exist, because no business can survive forever on 2 customers a day, unless they spend a few thousand each. Also, antiques and nostalgic items hold no value, and no-one is interested in them. Antique Roadshow and other such programs don't get decent ratings, and classic gear, cars, bikes, furniture, is really junk that you're just going to get ripped off buying.

Nope, I hate to disagree, but in this particular instance, I doubt you could be more wrong.

You have no proof and you couldn't be MORE WRONG about antique shops. There's a town of antiques just 10 miles from me that guess what people goto socialize, hang out and look kewl as only old idiots actually buy anything cause they don't have anything else to do with their money. Lmao you thinkin antique shops have or hold any real value. It's JUNK 100% and nothing more. And it goes right back down to what I said only 2 people a day might buy something from them nothing like the business a Mall has. As far as I'm concerned antique dealers are nothing but Fred Sandfords and swindlers.

So Nope, I don't hate to disagree, but in this particular instance, I don't doubt you are more wrong.

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moriz · Feb 16, 2010, 12:29 PM // 12:29

you have no proof either queenofdeath. no, your opinion doesn't count as proof. that only works in your own alternative universe.

until one of you stand in an antique shop for a month straight, tracking every customer and every purchase, then repeat that process for every antique shop in the country, neither of you have proof.

Turbo Ginsu · Feb 16, 2010, 01:07 PM // 13:07

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

Lmao you thinkin antique shops have or hold any real value. It's JUNK 100% and nothing more. And it goes right back down to what I said only 2 people a day might buy something from them nothing like the business a Mall has. As far as I'm concerned antique dealers are nothing but Fred Sandfords and swindlers.

And right about there, you lost any shred of legitimacy your argument may have held. From that and your previous reply, I can draw only one conclusion as to your reason for being here: +1 Troll.

Grow a brain, go out and see what really happens in the really real world, then get back to me. Mind you, I have no hope for either of those 2 suggestions ever happening. So, at this point, I smile, don't make eye contact, and just keep walking.

Del · Feb 16, 2010, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

Lmao you thinkin antique shops have or hold any real value. It's JUNK 100% and nothing more.

Value is all in the eye of the beholder.

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Originally Posted by Turbo Ginsu

And right about there, you lost any shred of legitimacy your argument may have held. From that and your previous reply, I can draw only one conclusion as to your reason for being here: +1 Troll.

Grow a brain, go out and see what really happens in the really real world, then get back to me. Mind you, I have no hope for either of those 2 suggestions ever happening. So, at this point, I smile, don't make eye contact, and just keep walking.

i doubt he's trolling, judging by his posts in this thread and others i believe he's genuinely unintelligent.

cthulhu reborn · Feb 16, 2010, 05:22 PM // 17:22

Well, any game has its flaws and limitations and I have complained about various things in the past. However, now that I have tried and/or played other games like LotrO and Aion GW really still is my favourite.
GW really does have a lot more lore than a lot of games, the graphics of this game still beat a lot of the new games that come out and the skills in GW are really more balanced than in any other game I've played. PvP, though not my favourite, is definitely more interesting in GW. So I think that GW has earned its place in the game hall of fame.

True, Anet have shifted their focus completely to GW2 and it sucks to have to wait and not get any new content for a year or two now, but it still is a better game and I have high hopes for GW2.

So is GW perfect? Certainly not. But it's one of the best games I've played and I do keep coming back to it. By playing other games, especially that wretched Aion, I have learned much more appreciation for what Anet have done with GW.

imnotyourmother · Feb 16, 2010, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

Are there any 20 year old games that you play now? Anyone else?

Once in a while I play a level of Descent, but that's only 15 years old, there's a Lode Runner clone that I haven't tried yet and the Elite clone I installed has seen less then 5 hours of game play.

I predict that 10 years from now, probably less, you'll not be interested in playing Guild Wars anymore.

Yes I still play Castle Wolfenstine to kill Hitler ( I have the extra 2 levels don't cha know) on my Toshiba T1000 20 pound Cromo Screen Laptop!!!

Its got the super fast 8088 micro possessor (that's 16 bits external and 16 bits internal for those of you that have the 8086 slooooww one)

The technology is Circa 1982 and it cost a mere 3 Grand for it at the time.

If I had the modem at a Whopping 64 bits/second I could link to my tower and move the game there to play in dos.

But.. I don't and I do not have 5.25 disks anymore so there is no way to transfer the game to my tower...

Anywho that is a SICK game!! It predates DOOM for those that were not born then...

SO like yeah I play old games.. cause...I'm old. so having GW to play offline would be kewl but it will never happen as long as the Hall of Monuments will be LINKED to GW2. GW1 will have to keep running as long as GW2 lasts.. cause the achievements say so...